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标题: 『翻译』Daniel Negreanu 对打牌太过花哨(Fancy Play Syndrome)精彩讲解 [打印本页]

作者: sunp825 时间: 2009-3-11 19:13
标题: 『翻译』Daniel Negreanu 对打牌太过花哨(Fancy Play Syndrome)精彩讲解
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正文：Do you suffer from Fancy Player Syndrome?
Fancy Play Syndrome is a disease that many poker players suffer from today, and it often causes severe damage to the wallets of those inflicted.

Symptoms of this horrible disease include checking when you should bet, raising in bizarre situations, calling when you should be raising, and finally, raising when you should be folding.

Here's a little quiz to test whether you suffer from FPS.

Do you call in situations where the correct play would be to raise?

I've often seen players trying to be too cute when pots gets large, thus risking the entire pot in the hopes of squeezing out a few extra bucks from their opponents.

Unfortunately, what often happens is they just end up losing the hand.

Here's a simple example. The FPS sufferer holds K-Q, and the board reads J-10-9-4. The pot is already extremely large, and FPS's opponent bets the pot.

FPS will often just call here, but the correct play is to protect the hand and raise big.

FPS believes he can trick his opponent into thinking he has a weak hand, and hopes his opponent will make a big bet on the river. However, with the pot already large, and his hand far from invincible, he needs to make winning the pot his priority.

Do you care more about making cool plays when standard tactics make more sense?

In Texas Hold'em, check-raising an opponent three times in the same hand is akin to a 5'8" defender swatting a Shaquille O'Neal dunk attempt into the crowd.

It's the ultimate move to embarrass an opponent.

However, this move hardly ever works, and when an FPS sufferer tries it too many times, he ends up costing himself value bets that his opponents may have called.

Say the flop is A-7-3, and FPS holds K-10. FPS checks, his opponent bets, and FPS throws in a semi-bluff raise. His opponent calls.

The turn is the J giving FPS the nut flush; he decides to check again. The opponent bets, and once again FPS raises. The river is a blank — 8.

It's extremely unlikely that FPS's opponent will go for a check-raise again. But that doesn't stop him from trying. In this case, when a river bet might have been called by an opponent, FPS let him off the hook by trying to get too fancy with yet another check-raise.

Do you bet four of a kind on the flop thinking, "No one will figure me for that hand."

This is a common mistake made by lots of poker players.

Let's look at another example. Five people have called and the FPS victim is in the big blind with 3-3. The flop comes 3-8-3, giving him incredible quads.

While it's true that if he bets the flop his opponents won't likely figure him for four of a kind, it's still the wrong play and will cost him money in the long run.

What would his opponents have to hold in order to call? Since he's in the big blind, they may not figure him for quads, but they certainly might put him on a set of threes. And unless an opponent holds 8-8, no one can beat his trips. Besides, if someone is holding 8-8, FPS would get all of his money anyway.

The key reasons for checking quads are to let others try to bluff the hand, and to let players with over cards catch up. If someone holds 7-7 or 9-9, they could catch a full house on the turn, which means a smart player is in for a big payday.

If you answered yes to all three questions, you have full-blown Fancy Play Syndrome and are in serious need of help. Here's the cure: Forget the fancy stuff and focus on betting fundamentals.

If you answered yes to two questions, you're headed down the wrong path. It's time to change course.

If you answered yes to just one question, there is hope for you yet. In poker, creativity is a good thing, but make sure you only employ fancy plays sporadically.

If you answered no to all three questions, it's likely you're doing very well at the tables, and show none of the dreaded symptoms of FPS.

[ 本帖最后由 sunp825 于 2009-3-12 12:46 编辑 ]

作者: sunp825 时间: 2009-3-11 19:15
标题: 一直潜水看高手们的帖子，想做做贡献！！
打牌太过花哨是很多人的毛病，这种打法让你输很多钱

花哨包括：该你bet的时候你raise，该你raise的时候你call，给你fold的时候你raise

这里有3个简单问题来看你打牌花哨的程度。

问题一：有没有在某些情况下该raise的你反而call了？

当一个pot很大的时候，我经常发现一些牌手冒很大的风险想赢取对手所以的筹码

不幸的是，这些牌手最后都葛屁了

例子：一个花哨性牌手拿kq，公共牌是J-T—9—4，pot已经很大了，这时候他的对手bet了

他只是call，但正确的做法是raise一个大的

花哨性牌手希望他的对手认为他只是一个弱牌，希望对方在river搞个大的bet。但是，这个pot已经很

大了，他自己的牌并不是无敌的，他必须优先考虑去赢而不是怎么赢更多。

问题二：有没有在某些情况下本来可以打的很合理的但你打得很花哨？

在德州扑克里，check-raising最好是3倍，比如你ak，公共牌是A58，这样给对方一个明确的信号我有牌，很大，抽牌就走吧，别跟了。

这个行动最大限度的把难题交给对方。

但是，check-raising也不是每次都起作用的，如果你check-raising的次数多了，这样反而错过了很多对方河牌可以跟你价值下注的机会（因为你本该bet的但你反而check了）

比如公共牌是a73，你手里是kt，你check-raising对方，对方call。

Turn上来J，使你的有个最大卡顺，你再check-raising，对方call。

River来8，只有在极端情况下才有疯子在这里还check-raising。但是你想试试，还是check-raising。在这种情况下，你的对手很可能就call了，本来是绝望的一次check-raising，想赢这个pot。（这里不是很懂，请高手讲解讲解）

[ 本帖最后由 sunp825 于 2009-3-12 12:36 编辑 ]

作者: sunp825 时间: 2009-3-11 19:15
问题三：有没有当你拿到4头的时候也bet，“这样没有人能猜出我的牌”？

这是一个很普遍的问题对很多牌手。

再看一个例子：5个牌手limp call而你在大盲拿33也check。

Flop：338。你走狗屎运中炸弹了。也许这时候你bet的话没有人会想到你的牌，但长期来看你打法错误

你要想想其他人会拿什么牌留下来call你？因为你是大盲，所以其他很难确定你的牌，但他们能肯定你至少是set了。除非有人有88，否则你不会赢很多。但如果有人有88，那么你怎么样都能赢。

这里check的关键是让别人来bluff你或者让别人的over pair在turn上hit中。比如有人有77或99，turn上来7或9，这样他们会为你中4头而付账。

后面的就不翻译了，总的原则就是，打牌回归基础（自己的理解，希望能抛砖引玉）：

1，       你的形象是怎么样的？

2，       对手的形象是怎么样的？

3，       你的位置是怎么样的？

4，       你的牌是怎么样的？多大的牌玩多大的锅

5，       什么时候该bluff？？该snow play？？

6，       什么时候该call，check,raise，fold？

[ 本帖最后由 sunp825 于 2009-3-11 19:22 编辑 ]

作者: 上海渔民 时间: 2009-3-11 20:32
顶一个!

作者: ljddragonfly 时间: 2009-3-11 22:18
:Q :Q :Q

作者: zlg198741 时间: 2009-3-12 00:32
高端新的我的路还很长很长

作者: 捕鲨王 时间: 2009-3-12 02:25

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这段的意思是说，一手牌中三次 check raise 是很难成功的，但是很多人要玩花哨，尝试三次的check raise。
这样反而错过了很多对方河牌可以跟你价值下注的机会

作者: 大水鱼 时间: 2009-3-12 06:41
好贴！

作者: 弥骏 时间: 2009-3-12 15:58
顶在再看。。。。。。。。。。

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