开始玩NL25了，也建个帖子记录一下

fxzjwxuexi

已经打了NL25有3天了，可惜还是打的不多，才1377手（加上打NL10才2033手）
明显是超级上风期，两次全下的翻硬币赢了，而且我遇上了不少娱乐玩家（NL25真心娱乐玩家还是不少的）

2 M* D7 E9 X- ~
6 p5 y; b3 R9 ~2 P$ A# J



当然，我知道这是上风期的节奏，所以不是炫耀，仅仅是记录。
( D. V9 l) W( V4 x& V  S4 Q1 O如果有值得讨论的牌谱我会发上来大家向大家请教的。
+ r7 S8 Z+ x) z' U

atm_thebigest

恭喜。。。好久没来论坛了。。等发工资买电脑了。

fxzjwxuexi

atm_thebigest 发表于 2014-9-16 13:02
恭喜。。。好久没来论坛了。。等发工资买电脑了。

; K7 m# p( U4 D9 a0 C( ^你不打牌是对你水平的浪费啊

fxzjwxuexi

4 J) L5 p8 H& E; |
9 x) ~1 J# t+ f  A今天打的一手牌，有点小纠结，大家看下：
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
  D2 O: B$ M( V; ~9 ?$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, September 16, 11:28:33 ET 2014
- A9 e! V5 e! u. I# c* \* T6 JTable Whirlpool (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $25.35 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 4.1, Hands: 9192
Seat 2: Player2 ( $34.61 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 16607
' A  m7 }6 y5 p% _% _; w" GSeat 3: Player3 ( $45.58 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Seat 4: Player4 ( $23.17 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 7, AF: 2.4, Hands: 5285
( |8 O9 i+ c8 ]7 `2 ?) ~Seat 5: Player5 ( $30.57 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 4, 3B: 1, AF: 1.9, Hands: 10447
Seat 6: Player6 ( $29.93 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 41
$ x: R4 v) H# j" p6 R7 u5 HSeat 7: Player7 ( $25.91 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 2.0, Hands: 12452
5 x5 _- D$ k2 |' }0 n! |Seat 8: Player8 ( $25.08 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 2.2, Hands: 42965
' _( ]1 e8 Z# A9 K) m( C9 cSeat 9: Hero ( $34.03 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 39494
1 N. H' y8 a( G" |Player2 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
& w8 n% U" `. @# w3 K: o. [Player3 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
( p8 y! w% O/ {$ w# lDealt to Hero [  8:cdfher 9:cdfher ]
# G" L$ q$ m) n7 {- d2 ]Player4 folds
/ {- _! x. I1 w9 {/ c7 ^3 GPlayer5 folds
% f& J, G9 K/ P8 V+ T; P  DPlayer6 folds
( L2 w/ ], m5 i! ?( c. jPlayer7 folds
Player8 folds
2 j9 d- ~0 }, N: _Hero raises [$0.62 USD]
* t" l0 W+ M& TPlayer1 raises [$1.80 USD]
Player2 folds
2 M; a7 E8 O- N9 f2 w- NPlayer3 folds
: Y8 ^. N! o6 j3 JHero calls [$1.18 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ J:sdftr, Q:cdfher, J:cdfher ]
9 l* X7 F8 A% v" R; hHero checks
Player1 bets [$2.25 USD]
4 u( I2 K7 d( u0 L, G! \/ C$ hHero raises [$6.25 USD]
- f% E. ?/ e- \, A9 Y7 g! FPlayer1 raises [$21.30 USD]
Hero folds
Player1 wins $17.30 USD
Player1 wins $15.71 USD from main pot
$ a; \/ p  Z4 J: y" S

7 I$ Z4 {" p; P9 F

fxzjwxuexi

对手在BU的3B很高，我本来想4B的，但看到对手弃给4B比较少，而且对方的加注不大可以跟注。在翻牌合适就来个XR，结果翻牌还比较给力，我当然是半咋唬加注了，结果对方思考一会后全下，后来我才发现这个对手三条街AF=5，3，4.2。说明对手在翻牌上是相当激进的，在这样AAB的翻牌上，如果我是QQ，QJ一般都不会加注，AJ还有可能加注，但是很少可能会跟注3B。对手是个不错的REG,近10k手牌有13bb/100h，所以他可以分析到我的牌一定不会很强，就算我是KK+慢打，在这样的面上也不会做XR，一般会XC。那么我最大的可能是听牌了，做为激进的对手，甚至可能用AKo这样的牌来咋唬全下（这只是我的猜测）。当然我也分析他能用什么牌这样全下，可能也就AcKc，AcTc，KT等听牌还比较合理，当然也不能完全排除QQ,QJ，Jx，面对这样一个范围，我的跟注比较边缘，故弃之。
请大家拍砖。

atm_thebigest

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-16 18:19
& f3 j1 H5 d. t+ ?& k8 y' `你不打牌是对你水平的浪费啊

* Q3 Q5 v2 c* x1 a9 z没办法啊，生活没安定下来，刚工作一个月，工资还没发，先熟悉几个月，以后应该有时间了。

atm_thebigest

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-17 12:06
' j3 |" k) R) A9 k& R对手在BU的3B很高，我本来想4B的，但看到对手弃给4B比较少，而且对方的加注不大可以跟注。在翻牌合适就来个 ...

# A- C" J) q9 ]- e89s跟人单跳没位置本来就比较难，分析的不差，对手不差，对手如果QQ,QJ，flop应该还是会选择慢打，虽然AGG高得很，真中nuts如此多听牌面，还会放着听的。对手可能AQ, TJ之类的，或者AA,KK，or draw的牌。这个牌比较边缘（要是AKS就easy call 了，没办法，投机牌就这样），考虑到牌桌动向，跟住比较合适，让他知道你敢跟他翻硬币。

fxzjwxuexi

atm_thebigest 发表于 2014-9-17 13:12
89s跟人单跳没位置本来就比较难，分析的不差，对手不差，对手如果QQ,QJ，flop应该还是会选择慢打，虽然AG ...

嗯，我用Equilab也计算了一下，不算他有nuts，基本是个翻硬币吧，但如果算上他很小几率的nuts，可能EV略差。
至于牌桌动向，因为是ROOM，所以无所谓，因为我弃牌后他也不知道我是什么牌，我很可能是个中对子反加测试，也可能AIR完全bluff。

fxzjwxuexi

什么是紧凶？
0 K  W  v! z9 _' u, D( E7 N) E" a( v我觉得应该是起手牌有选择，但是自己判断后就坚决执行：

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 17, 06:41:50 ET 2014
& r' T7 ^' t% }/ t7 v* u( J" x/ R) s1 H, _Table Hartley 3 (Real Money)
: z5 l. P3 L$ ^/ mSeat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 39723
+ `8 l8 {2 D# |& x' `9 A* J5 c! ^Seat 2: Player2 ( $20.93 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 35460
Seat 3: Player3 ( $12.97 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 646
/ Q7 j9 o4 \6 o2 S( uSeat 4: Player4 ( $12.46 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 2.1, Hands: 94653
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.95 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 3.5, Hands: 2749
, T+ o' }( b. Y7 w; b+ x4 i1 t( GSeat 6: Player6 ( $10.29 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.5, Hands: 552
Seat 7: Player7 ( $9.85 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 1.0, Hands: 126
Seat 8: Player8 ( $6.77 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 5601
Seat 9: Player9 ( $14.29 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 38
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
1 f1 o5 N3 n# O/ nPlayer3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
* T3 f4 N2 L! X6 G2 F9 jDealt to Hero [  A:hdfe 2:hdfe ]
Player4 folds
# q9 n8 c6 g4 iPlayer5 folds
Player6 folds
Player7 folds
; f  q: p, I9 }Player8 folds
% [# N# ]  t* _5 e7 y/ TPlayer9 folds
2 _( f! [& o% C4 g/ q6 r7 d9 MHero raises [$0.21 USD]
Player2 raises [$0.65 USD]
% K; M. }' @( c4 L) \Player3 folds
Hero raises [$1.7 USD]
Player2 raises [$4.00 USD]
6 V. B+ n8 r, cHero raises [$10.00 USD]and is All in
' v* [3 T$ c3 v% ]) m  YPlayer2 folds
) C! A" J" v" g; I7 o! WHero wins $8.10 USD from main pot

fxzjwxuexi

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-17 19:09
什么是紧凶？
- n" F/ s- n( ]我觉得应该是起手牌有选择，但是自己判断后就坚决执行：

1 P$ [- J, T0 _这个对手在SB对我3B，基于三点，我判断他的范围很宽：
  A; ^: d, H/ [1、对手在SB偷盲超多，说明对方在SB不会提前弃牌，所以他手上的范围很宽
2、对手在SB做3B也很高，达到5.9
8 k, ?/ b* K1 o8 f7 e# A. A3、如果他真有强牌，做为一个正常的REG，他没有位置是不愿意我用投机牌太便宜的进来的
所以我判断他不是强牌，所以当他加注到40个bb，告诉我他不准备弃牌了，我也不太相信。而且他即使有可能是强牌，只要不是AK，AA。我还有不少的底池份额，再加上弃牌率，所以我全下了，他考虑了较长时间，弃牌。

fxzjwxuexi

今天看到phil galfond一句话，非常不错,和大家分享一下：
教和学的最佳途径是通过不断地思考、分析与思辨的过程、并且不断质疑自己。
* \! r* `5 D9 a* C! T7 [仔细想一想。。。。。。。

fxzjwxuexi

这手牌当时觉得面对中筹码已经套池了，其实我仔细想一想，面对一个AF=1的对手，在翻牌上加注，他的牌力应该大于一对了，应该可以弃牌吧，不能因为筹码少就跟注。

7 X8 f2 N: I  N, E! sPoker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $12.25 (49 bb)
6 v0 [6 e, k  o5 Q" QBB: $10.30 (41.2 bb)
UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $46.61 (186.4 bb)
9 c! t* w8 _% ^/ sMP1: $27.12 (108.5 bb)
$ F/ R& N, v. f. uMP2: $25 (100 bb)
9 t) ]* e# R" l+ qMP3: $14.99 (60 bb)
Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
3 a& u" ~- O- n5 _4 H/ j0 aBTN: $15.93 (63.7 bb)
/ q9 r3 a3 V6 T
, o4 H( C' Z: d: j8 WPreflop: Hero is CO with K A
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB calls $0.65, BB folds
$ X0 \( S% H" L. h; Y' A
Flop: ($1.75) K 7 T (2 players)
" X* q& F' o" v7 M' |1 w; k9 lSB checks, Hero bets $1.33, SB raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $13.25, SB calls $8 and is all-in

Turn: ($24.75) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
. z3 ?/ }* j# c$ w: g- uRiver: ($24.75) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $24.75 pot ($1.11 rake)
' o8 d0 C/ K' ~* c' WFinal Board: K 7 T 2 6
8 A( i; ~6 H) C% C- d0 lSB showed K K and won $23.64 ($11.39 net)
Hero mucked K A and lost (-$12.25 net)

* Y/ V+ A) h2 p3 a6 z

fxzjwxuexi

打的过凶了点：

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
0 R" V7 F  t$ k  C) \8 bPoker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
; w! R4 k# Q. \* {
SB: $55.77 (223.1 bb)
BB: $10.05 (40.2 bb)
UTG+1: $27.82 (111.3 bb)
5 `. o! T1 f& z7 E' eUTG+2: $18.11 (72.4 bb)
MP1: $12.05 (48.2 bb)
' I9 k3 w7 @$ o' k" X8 b$ W" R4 G3 ?MP2: $23.50 (94 bb)
6 m* S3 a: B; b& J0 @: iHero (MP3): $27.28 (109.1 bb)
CO: $120.20 (480.8 bb)
BTN: $50.14 (200.6 bb)
5 L: Y5 t  W+ C( b# ~: C
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T T
. f. t" _  C0 N) T9 KUTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 4 folds
$ m2 Y& g* v, ]/ w; K
Flop: ($1.85) 4 6 6 (2 players)
4 a, P7 p; u$ _2 H% O8 i, ]UTG+2 bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, UTG+2 calls $1.50
9 Z4 _  N& i% j
Turn: ($5.85) 9 (2 players)
8 k* f% n" {- M5 SUTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.72, UTG+2 calls $3.72
4 ]- }! F  x. I% a6 m
River: ($13.29) K (2 players)
" }0 p5 L4 Y% A1 w6 N9 [UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

; `! u- B3 @$ G2 `: b5 g3 J' BResults: $13.29 pot ($0.60 rake)
& y& p3 P) i0 e: J6 n6 lFinal Board: 4 6 6 9 K
UTG+2 showed A K and won $12.69 ($6.22 net)
( W$ x! B# P2 x+ |9 m6 oHero mucked T T and lost (-$6.47 net)

这手牌，对手看起来很鱼，17/4,af=1,wtsd=34,hands=5.4k，象是个很弱的跟注站，但我还是在转牌打的有问题，对方的OR范围很强，能在翻牌跟加注的牌，到了转牌，其实我已经没有什么价值了，所以转牌可以check behind，河对方下注较大就弃，争取摊牌

fxzjwxuexi

今天中午打的，完全是先挖搞再爬：



; ?1 Z8 x$ U1 o! G1 J& |+ a
" q) `, e0 O$ z. K" E) N关键是下面这手打的郁闷了，有点tilt：

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
: N+ O% G! a6 Y' BPoker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

8 H2 u* [* H" @" o% r: YHero (SB): $29.04 (116.2 bb)
BB: $16.29 (65.2 bb)
UTG+1: $17.35 (69.4 bb)
' ?+ Z# u( A" [+ @UTG+2: $18 (72 bb)
MP1: $53.69 (214.8 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
- T' w; m% C6 V, l1 MMP3: $53.89 (215.6 bb)
3 f- J) k& V, u3 D- R% S" G/ ~- ECO: $4.82 (19.3 bb)
- a) W) u9 a( EBTN: $9.20 (36.8 bb)
$ \6 Y+ h8 b6 k! N
Preflop: Hero is SB with T 9
7 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $4.25, BB calls $2

# `- z* K9 G/ xFlop: ($8.50) 8 5 6 (2 players)
. ~! B0 v- Y/ {Hero checks, BB checks
4 A- P# t* }) s1 e8 ?7 t, X
Turn: ($8.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $24.79 and is all-in, BB calls $12.04 and is all-in
" r  S' q3 o4 {0 j
River: ($32.58) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
5 P3 j9 W/ X) m: m9 ]9 `2 [
Results: $32.58 pot ($1.47 rake)
Final Board: 8 5 6 J T
- u; `* x; {) E$ E# s' [& q  |/ UHero showed T 9 and lost (-$16.29 net)
BB showed K J and won $31.11 ($14.82 net)
5 I. Q' r2 s0 t2 x5 W8 Z
) T5 W$ M; {5 ~& k: X5 ?6 w6 q
9 \1 `! d7 `- j3 w' M% b; i在面对一个完全未知的对手的情况下，面对反偷反抗太过激烈了。
$ t" R# W$ U& ^8 k6 {4 q翻牌XX，转牌我有个两头顺听，正常来说对方很可能是两张高牌，AQ，QK之类，所以我做个半咋唬，看了对方的牌就有点tilt了。

/ ~1 n& @+ n# i5 d( r然后就出现了下面这手：

fxzjwxuexi

  k" b  E! w. C4 R
1 r+ j0 x' [/ m* Q( YPoker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
, D' x3 i+ g& P$ cPoker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

" `$ A* A' m, X  s4 HSB: $25.58 (102.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $28.81 (115.2 bb)
UTG+1: $74.49 (298 bb)
( H# q6 ?/ C$ _( ^9 E, WUTG+2: $25.43 (101.7 bb)
# Q- h5 C7 O7 r" VMP1: $25 (100 bb)
3 m4 n4 I! D2 jMP2: $25 (100 bb)
2 ?; X5 I+ I( s) c( SMP3: $37.24 (149 bb)
CO: $27.80 (111.2 bb)
' `# h; E. P+ G" JBTN: $83.90 (335.6 bb)

: q% M4 w3 V5 L- ?4 O; y+ IPreflop: Hero is BB with 9 7
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.70, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN calls $1.55

Flop: ($4.60) 5 5 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50
- w0 E: I4 u5 e# r! L& I
Turn: ($9.60) 8 (2 players)
! o5 n0 v% F' x7 E. p- LHero bets $5.50, BTN raises to $11.90, Hero folds

6 N1 v; N) t! l& g+ H+ f" A2 |Results: $20.60 pot ($0.93 rake)
Final Board: 5 5 5 8
* h# {9 j$ C3 jHero mucked 9 7 and lost (-$10.25 net)
BTN mucked and won $19.67 ($9.42 net)
+ a: T+ H" p3 r( y6 `
分析在下一层楼
) l2 T: Q# U5 ~, C2 F5 D9 l