开始玩NL25了，也建个帖子记录一下

fxzjwxuexi

已经打了NL25有3天了，可惜还是打的不多，才1377手（加上打NL10才2033手）
1 H, |4 Z4 c: `. C9 G: N- G2 D% o明显是超级上风期，两次全下的翻硬币赢了，而且我遇上了不少娱乐玩家（NL25真心娱乐玩家还是不少的）
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当然，我知道这是上风期的节奏，所以不是炫耀，仅仅是记录。
# }4 S1 `: \% G6 A1 m3 k3 h如果有值得讨论的牌谱我会发上来大家向大家请教的。

atm_thebigest

恭喜。。。好久没来论坛了。。等发工资买电脑了。

fxzjwxuexi

atm_thebigest 发表于 2014-9-16 13:02
恭喜。。。好久没来论坛了。。等发工资买电脑了。

你不打牌是对你水平的浪费啊

fxzjwxuexi

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今天打的一手牌，有点小纠结，大家看下：
+ K" z) o' Y  D/ x# Z3 U***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, September 16, 11:28:33 ET 2014
Table Whirlpool (Real Money)
- D' S5 F* }0 l0 x! [Seat 1 is the button
' u) _' @. G! Q1 }8 [0 y+ XSeat 1: Player1 ( $25.35 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 4.1, Hands: 9192
. ~( x: x% {2 vSeat 2: Player2 ( $34.61 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 16607
( E. d! W3 T* {  H0 F/ lSeat 3: Player3 ( $45.58 USD ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
- `9 W# U! {: s5 V) fSeat 4: Player4 ( $23.17 USD ) - VPIP: 18, PFR: 11, 3B: 7, AF: 2.4, Hands: 5285
Seat 5: Player5 ( $30.57 USD ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 4, 3B: 1, AF: 1.9, Hands: 10447
$ A- S0 c4 n9 p( j; q  \Seat 6: Player6 ( $29.93 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.5, Hands: 41
Seat 7: Player7 ( $25.91 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 2.0, Hands: 12452
Seat 8: Player8 ( $25.08 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 2.2, Hands: 42965
. B8 |% m% ?( dSeat 9: Hero ( $34.03 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 39494
Player2 posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
" i4 O' i; h1 iPlayer3 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  8:cdfher 9:cdfher ]
Player4 folds
5 C! l6 `6 G  [- {6 S  |Player5 folds
' p( V+ c+ G) S3 N7 y. t7 ZPlayer6 folds
Player7 folds
Player8 folds
$ M# F: j+ d. _- u( T, \5 WHero raises [$0.62 USD]
Player1 raises [$1.80 USD]
2 v+ G9 P$ ?0 ?Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero calls [$1.18 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ J:sdftr, Q:cdfher, J:cdfher ]
3 @# l+ w* {" i4 I- P! k* IHero checks
3 v8 V% N. f) S3 cPlayer1 bets [$2.25 USD]
Hero raises [$6.25 USD]
Player1 raises [$21.30 USD]
Hero folds
3 x6 P- Q( P2 F9 q, M4 o; v9 P* jPlayer1 wins $17.30 USD
Player1 wins $15.71 USD from main pot
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fxzjwxuexi

对手在BU的3B很高，我本来想4B的，但看到对手弃给4B比较少，而且对方的加注不大可以跟注。在翻牌合适就来个XR，结果翻牌还比较给力，我当然是半咋唬加注了，结果对方思考一会后全下，后来我才发现这个对手三条街AF=5，3，4.2。说明对手在翻牌上是相当激进的，在这样AAB的翻牌上，如果我是QQ，QJ一般都不会加注，AJ还有可能加注，但是很少可能会跟注3B。对手是个不错的REG,近10k手牌有13bb/100h，所以他可以分析到我的牌一定不会很强，就算我是KK+慢打，在这样的面上也不会做XR，一般会XC。那么我最大的可能是听牌了，做为激进的对手，甚至可能用AKo这样的牌来咋唬全下（这只是我的猜测）。当然我也分析他能用什么牌这样全下，可能也就AcKc，AcTc，KT等听牌还比较合理，当然也不能完全排除QQ,QJ，Jx，面对这样一个范围，我的跟注比较边缘，故弃之。
请大家拍砖。

atm_thebigest

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-16 18:19
5 v% x6 ^" a4 o: L; u% g( z+ m你不打牌是对你水平的浪费啊

/ p, a6 C* G! f* B. o* n没办法啊，生活没安定下来，刚工作一个月，工资还没发，先熟悉几个月，以后应该有时间了。

atm_thebigest

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-17 12:06
( t: S( A2 o0 z8 q对手在BU的3B很高，我本来想4B的，但看到对手弃给4B比较少，而且对方的加注不大可以跟注。在翻牌合适就来个 ...

1 M) p# ^2 J* c4 d1 {7 C89s跟人单跳没位置本来就比较难，分析的不差，对手不差，对手如果QQ,QJ，flop应该还是会选择慢打，虽然AGG高得很，真中nuts如此多听牌面，还会放着听的。对手可能AQ, TJ之类的，或者AA,KK，or draw的牌。这个牌比较边缘（要是AKS就easy call 了，没办法，投机牌就这样），考虑到牌桌动向，跟住比较合适，让他知道你敢跟他翻硬币。

fxzjwxuexi

atm_thebigest 发表于 2014-9-17 13:12
$ x. S! G. |% X" H- Y! n4 z+ e( B89s跟人单跳没位置本来就比较难，分析的不差，对手不差，对手如果QQ,QJ，flop应该还是会选择慢打，虽然AG ...

) x. P' J, u4 V4 y* Y' r" ^( v  J嗯，我用Equilab也计算了一下，不算他有nuts，基本是个翻硬币吧，但如果算上他很小几率的nuts，可能EV略差。
' [3 V3 n% ?1 c" C0 R( g至于牌桌动向，因为是ROOM，所以无所谓，因为我弃牌后他也不知道我是什么牌，我很可能是个中对子反加测试，也可能AIR完全bluff。

fxzjwxuexi

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什么是紧凶？
1 U% d- x6 u$ L1 P# k# Y* o我觉得应该是起手牌有选择，但是自己判断后就坚决执行：
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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 17, 06:41:50 ET 2014
Table Hartley 3 (Real Money)
8 x$ I1 Q2 S5 Z/ |0 l/ H6 p1 qSeat 1 is the button
% \) j2 q0 r+ Z/ X! ISeat 1: Hero ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 39723
& A9 Z+ v+ C6 X4 _/ A" }9 v2 cSeat 2: Player2 ( $20.93 USD ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.6, Hands: 35460
* h6 p* ^0 C6 t- H) o9 J+ E! X7 ^Seat 3: Player3 ( $12.97 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 2.5, Hands: 646
Seat 4: Player4 ( $12.46 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 2.1, Hands: 94653
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.95 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 22, 3B: 9, AF: 3.5, Hands: 2749
Seat 6: Player6 ( $10.29 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 1.5, Hands: 552
Seat 7: Player7 ( $9.85 USD ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 8, 3B: 2, AF: 1.0, Hands: 126
# ~+ N8 K" m; pSeat 8: Player8 ( $6.77 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 5601
: u/ e. w1 ^% ^Seat 9: Player9 ( $14.29 USD ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 8, 3B: 8, AF: 2.0, Hands: 38
: f. y# F) B& ~# d( z- P' pPlayer2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
: l/ |6 t# }& [Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
6 ]. F) `3 M" `* e' f** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  A:hdfe 2:hdfe ]
Player4 folds
% q$ u0 ^4 g7 D% _9 D( C, z/ e, \% |Player5 folds
Player6 folds
* t# O% g- S) IPlayer7 folds
& L3 y: b* g2 O1 D" ^5 jPlayer8 folds
% ]1 K/ F& P( r# J8 MPlayer9 folds
0 e& F7 |6 K, j+ \0 iHero raises [$0.21 USD]
$ L( l7 V" A8 l0 `7 U* nPlayer2 raises [$0.65 USD]
Player3 folds
0 B; k2 y% E5 Z: }Hero raises [$1.7 USD]
) t: j' x% ?& X% D/ XPlayer2 raises [$4.00 USD]
Hero raises [$10.00 USD]and is All in
Player2 folds
7 y+ ~- ^. q! G0 ^0 n( q5 m. [" i1 d0 ~Hero wins $8.10 USD from main pot

fxzjwxuexi

fxzjwxuexi 发表于 2014-9-17 19:09
什么是紧凶？
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& M0 O8 Z" E. e, K7 S% d这个对手在SB对我3B，基于三点，我判断他的范围很宽：
- l: a& x* `( J" p* h1、对手在SB偷盲超多，说明对方在SB不会提前弃牌，所以他手上的范围很宽
2、对手在SB做3B也很高，达到5.9
3、如果他真有强牌，做为一个正常的REG，他没有位置是不愿意我用投机牌太便宜的进来的
) `3 h8 Q/ E" j) X) T1 L, C所以我判断他不是强牌，所以当他加注到40个bb，告诉我他不准备弃牌了，我也不太相信。而且他即使有可能是强牌，只要不是AK，AA。我还有不少的底池份额，再加上弃牌率，所以我全下了，他考虑了较长时间，弃牌。

fxzjwxuexi

今天看到phil galfond一句话，非常不错,和大家分享一下：
教和学的最佳途径是通过不断地思考、分析与思辨的过程、并且不断质疑自己。
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fxzjwxuexi

这手牌当时觉得面对中筹码已经套池了，其实我仔细想一想，面对一个AF=1的对手，在翻牌上加注，他的牌力应该大于一对了，应该可以弃牌吧，不能因为筹码少就跟注。

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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- \, l3 k3 f; [! `3 [SB: $12.25 (49 bb)
BB: $10.30 (41.2 bb)
  q# ^5 B5 {# w4 T+ ~UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
0 j3 ]0 y# k4 }2 [* ?% Y0 QUTG+2: $46.61 (186.4 bb)
- I+ h4 {3 [# T& U+ O+ `  yMP1: $27.12 (108.5 bb)
* I% t- E) |1 n* |+ {MP2: $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $14.99 (60 bb)
' n0 b( l; L! V# U* sHero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $15.93 (63.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) K 7 T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.33, SB raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $13.25, SB calls $8 and is all-in

Turn: ($24.75) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($24.75) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

- x. R* ]# e; c+ I) V$ o& B3 V, uResults: $24.75 pot ($1.11 rake)
Final Board: K 7 T 2 6
SB showed K K and won $23.64 ($11.39 net)
Hero mucked K A and lost (-$12.25 net)
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fxzjwxuexi

打的过凶了点：

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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) o6 i2 P2 m2 L' |3 C" |+ ^SB: $55.77 (223.1 bb)
: H; C6 y- S8 ]4 A5 d- S  j9 v1 FBB: $10.05 (40.2 bb)
UTG+1: $27.82 (111.3 bb)
UTG+2: $18.11 (72.4 bb)
+ H" ~; a. _/ F" ?+ UMP1: $12.05 (48.2 bb)
MP2: $23.50 (94 bb)
" M7 {" B+ G/ z1 EHero (MP3): $27.28 (109.1 bb)
% m+ p! H; ^# F2 ZCO: $120.20 (480.8 bb)
! o" |8 x0 V' Z8 LBTN: $50.14 (200.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T T
/ E3 \! E% R1 t6 _UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, 4 folds
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: M; z7 T1 Q9 o* f, ?6 v" cFlop: ($1.85) 4 6 6 (2 players)
/ H( j% ^$ A& ~0 rUTG+2 bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2, UTG+2 calls $1.50

: ^2 ]9 v5 T: W9 E+ g" L1 ~Turn: ($5.85) 9 (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.72, UTG+2 calls $3.72

' v" T$ f7 o5 M+ H' F5 YRiver: ($13.29) K (2 players)
& R1 I  |+ e$ eUTG+2 checks, Hero checks
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4 q) e, J- u# O$ v4 ]Results: $13.29 pot ($0.60 rake)
Final Board: 4 6 6 9 K
UTG+2 showed A K and won $12.69 ($6.22 net)
Hero mucked T T and lost (-$6.47 net)

4 G& f+ d9 O) Q2 {- W* m0 s这手牌，对手看起来很鱼，17/4,af=1,wtsd=34,hands=5.4k，象是个很弱的跟注站，但我还是在转牌打的有问题，对方的OR范围很强，能在翻牌跟加注的牌，到了转牌，其实我已经没有什么价值了，所以转牌可以check behind，河对方下注较大就弃，争取摊牌

fxzjwxuexi

今天中午打的，完全是先挖搞再爬：




关键是下面这手打的郁闷了，有点tilt：
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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Hero (SB): $29.04 (116.2 bb)
BB: $16.29 (65.2 bb)
# F) r$ T: T6 G$ g5 uUTG+1: $17.35 (69.4 bb)
UTG+2: $18 (72 bb)
$ V0 r  ~0 U- |+ v( k6 D+ _MP1: $53.69 (214.8 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
: C9 k* ~; N: P- Y0 h3 pMP3: $53.89 (215.6 bb)
CO: $4.82 (19.3 bb)
3 H, c! @# v, J- m9 R6 X1 z7 CBTN: $9.20 (36.8 bb)
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Preflop: Hero is SB with T 9
7 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $4.25, BB calls $2
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& n4 @6 g3 V3 GFlop: ($8.50) 8 5 6 (2 players)
+ X" C3 }0 ~6 |% p7 H0 c8 T4 t, LHero checks, BB checks

2 n! B- a3 c; C; RTurn: ($8.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $24.79 and is all-in, BB calls $12.04 and is all-in
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River: ($32.58) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)
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Results: $32.58 pot ($1.47 rake)
Final Board: 8 5 6 J T
Hero showed T 9 and lost (-$16.29 net)
; z9 C2 h# R$ E. Q9 ?- d4 W+ T% V' yBB showed K J and won $31.11 ($14.82 net)


: u: j) Q2 c5 z) h1 |在面对一个完全未知的对手的情况下，面对反偷反抗太过激烈了。
翻牌XX，转牌我有个两头顺听，正常来说对方很可能是两张高牌，AQ，QK之类，所以我做个半咋唬，看了对方的牌就有点tilt了。
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fxzjwxuexi

- u+ b8 L; \3 [8 {  w- vPoker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
; F8 |" _& {; c% n) iPoker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
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, [7 `; T& d: J' h) XSB: $25.58 (102.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $28.81 (115.2 bb)
! ?3 O5 O& Q. L6 V% YUTG+1: $74.49 (298 bb)
( B, `9 G" S2 g+ k: f1 i2 ]' T5 o7 f3 dUTG+2: $25.43 (101.7 bb)
( L' B; N! K3 s8 S+ EMP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
: L1 h% d# Y9 l- ~, r5 CMP3: $37.24 (149 bb)
CO: $27.80 (111.2 bb)
0 \* V' L$ C" B$ k: Y1 x! vBTN: $83.90 (335.6 bb)

$ P/ M. J% D1 [& j( fPreflop: Hero is BB with 9 7
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.70, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN calls $1.55
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6 Y: |0 O! v% F0 m' c  O( KFlop: ($4.60) 5 5 5 (2 players)
' M- d; }* u. f0 V# LHero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50
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7 g" b' o$ f8 MTurn: ($9.60) 8 (2 players)
* Z4 U7 I* e% m! K! k1 \5 F) y7 m( UHero bets $5.50, BTN raises to $11.90, Hero folds

" J2 X! j* e& h, L  o* ?7 SResults: $20.60 pot ($0.93 rake)
Final Board: 5 5 5 8
( h  s" D! [( X8 R2 S: K, KHero mucked 9 7 and lost (-$10.25 net)
BTN mucked and won $19.67 ($9.42 net)
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