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chaotic

Is there anyone out there who want  to discuss the finer aspects (or just anything really) of PLO?  Its really a much better game than NLH, especially if you like action.  Whereas you can sit and fold for hours on end on a bad day in NLH, there are many more playable hands in PLO, especially with position.
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* X( I4 |7 V2 H, T' [' iAdded to this is the fact that PLO is generally more profitable, as there are a lot of NLH players coming into the PLO pond playing the game like 4 card holdem, and getting deepish stacks in with very marginal hands (now two overs and a FD or a pair and a FD might be good hands in NLH, they are very marginal hands in PLO, even with a nut FD).  
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, q: I  b" n/ ]1 ISo come on in.  You know it makes sense.

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how about speaking in Chinese...

  ]2 O/ v( d+ \5 u5 e  J6 ~7 j. c国内打的人比较少，不过一般有人提问什么，我都会过来回答或者一起讨论，有机会一起探讨下

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艾伦很帅气 发表于 2013-9-2 07:31
how about speaking in Chinese...
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1 ]) [6 Q. e  ^& E* W) p3 L国内打的人比较少，不过一般有人提问什么，我都会过来回答或者一起讨 ...

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/ J' V0 W: f% r5 w$ G3 @& NI would if I could...but my written Chinese is nearly non-existent, although I can read it.  
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: H7 N" j/ I- O* b, K7 Y' e0 ^9 MWhere do you play?  I used to play on FTP until the fiasco of their closing, mainly 6-max at 1/2 to 3/6, with the odd venture up to 5/10 and 10/20 if I am running very well.  I now mainly play at ipoker, again 6-max at 1/2 to 3/6.
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- }; O! J0 m7 b5 C% K' l' P9 zTable selection at ipoker is not great, but the game is soft, plus the RB is very good when compared with Stars.

foxhu

WHAT IS RB？
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. F& n$ r3 q, \' Y5 P+ vi play omaha at pokerstars  

chaotic

foxhu 发表于 2013-9-2 13:47
WHAT IS RB？

i play omaha at pokerstars

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chaotic 发表于 2013-9-2 17:13
& {& }: G  [- o9 r$ Q" oRakeback.  Ipoker's RB programme is at about 66%.

yeah,maybe it's more profitable playing PLO on Ipoker.But i just want to play with the best players and beat them;Pfge. So i choose pokerstars, too.
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chaotic

艾伦很帅气 发表于 2013-9-3 04:52
yeah,maybe it's more profitable playing PLO on Ipoker.But i just want to play with the best player ...

hmmm...ok.  Each to his own really.  I prefer 5 donks with me on every 6-max table if possible.  Gone past the ego stage a long time ago, and profit now comes before ego everytime

* R  D% |0 R  L0 o0 R( _But on a more serious note, the best players do tend to play at nose-bleed levels, 1k/2k and above etc, and given the swingy nature of PLO, we are talking a heck of a large roll needed if we are playing seriously and multi-tabling.

业子

can you teach me？

业子

I‘m interested in OMAHA，
but the information and videos about HMAHA is not available easily in china.haha, may be i could buy one book at Amazon,but its too expensive.

chaotic

业子 发表于 2013-9-7 21:59
I‘m interested in OMAHA，
2 w4 Z$ B6 {% T: Q- b; m! e1 t2 \but the information and videos about HMAHA is not available easily in ch ...

There are many articles on PLO online, but I think you really need to play at the same time as well to get a feel of the game.  Try playing at really low stakes to get yourself familarised with the game and read as many articles of the games as you can find.  In you have any specific questions about the game, I'd be happy to help.

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chaotic 发表于 2013-9-8 07:20
9 f4 B" Q* \& H4 ?; c3 N  VThere are many articles on PLO online, but I think you really need to play at the same time as wel ...

Can you talk about the rake in low stakes PLO?And also the difference between PLO50 and PLO100?

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chaotic 发表于 2013-9-8 07:20
There are many articles on PLO online, but I think you really need to play at the same time as wel ...

" f0 w; H% ^# a, k! I' M感觉PLO25很好战胜，但是PLO50的盈率就下降的很快，打PLO100又觉得水平和50差不多，是不是PS这个抽水环境下，PLO50相对来说是个坎？

chaotic

艾伦很帅气 发表于 2013-9-8 07:38
Can you talk about the rake in low stakes PLO?And also the difference between PLO50 and PLO100?

4 g; z5 |& V1 N& Y" pObviously the rake is a far more important factor in low stakes games, but for ultra mirco stakes, ipoker capped the rake at $1, $3 for mid-level stakes, and $4 for high.

2 H# t% L# `2 oNot sure if you can beat the rake if you are playing ultra mirco stakes, but the idea of playing such low stakes is to learn the mechanics of the game, so we can afford to take a slight negative ev hit in the process.  Rakes becomes less important the higher you play, as if we play 2/4, and take down a 600 pot, the rake is capped at $3, that's just half of one precent of the pot.  Even without a good RB programme, such rakes are very beatable, but not sure why anyone would want to play online poker without RB.
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  q. _8 O4 q+ a6 pNot played 0.25/0.50 for a long while now, but I cant see it being any easier than 0.50/1 or even 1/2.  In my experince, the standard doesn't really improve much until we get to 10/20, but even that might be a misread on my part, as I have not logged enough hands at that level, it being somewhat too expensive for my roll.  I can say for sure that, at least in ipoker, there isn't much difference in standard between 1/2 to 3/6.

I am not sure how many hands you have played at plo 25 and plo 50, but bearing in mind that plo being a very swingy game, might you not be just running bad at plo50, and running good at plo25, giving you the impression that one is easier than the other?  Rake would be a factor, but unless you are paying capped rakes often (lots of big pots) at plo25, I can't see it making a huge difference at plo25 and plo50

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chaotic 发表于 2013-9-8 11:42
! s! e2 n+ ^! R, \# DObviously the rake is a far more important factor in low stakes games, but for ultra mirco stakes, ...

Thank you.That helps a lot. I've been playing at PLO25 for about 250k hands, and got a 10BB winrate in the last 50K hands.At PLO50 the winrate decreases to only 2 or 3BB over the last 20K hands.And do you think there's a big difference between ZOOM PLO and regular games?

chaotic

艾伦很帅气 发表于 2013-9-8 12:10
Thank you.That helps a lot. I've been playing at PLO25 for about 250k hands, and got a 10BB winrat ...

9 H3 a! ?1 V  O; e  Z  EDont know, never played zoom and not about to start anytime soon.  I like to know how my opponents are playing now, not how might have played in previous games.  The two are strongly related, but not necessary the same.  However, we dont have that read in zoom, as that the table breaks after every hand, and we must face new players, so a good HUD set-up becomes a necessity.
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0 h+ U  s7 U9 v( i8 Z- V2 m9 oI think if you are on 10BB per hour in plo25 with a good sample size, but feel that plo50 is harder, you ought to stick at plo25, until you feel more comfortable at plo50.  A lot of poker is about confidence,  which we need to make big plays or follow our reads and make big folds or big calls.  Its eaiser to win when you are confident (but not over-confident), and more likely to lose when you feel insecure.